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i8910 Omnia HD development thread

post at Mar 15, 2009 21:41 GMT+1
Hi all,
I would like to thanks samsung of hearing our cries about audio codec..
http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/reviews/item/A_day_with_the_Samsung_Omnia_HD-Hardware_and_First_Impressions_.php
video samples from here demonstrates that codec has changed from a bad AMR to a more "actual" AAC but audio sample frequency is still a little bad..
The other important aspect to improve is HD video smoothness!! when the guy in the video moves his hands, there is a lot of blur wich is unacceptable...I hope at least in the promised 24fps!!

What kinds of improvements do you want in this (almost perfect) smartphone ??
Let's discuss here..

For example I want at least a video out (even if not in HD quality) in 3.5mm jack if it is possible..

Thanks Samsung!





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i8910 Omnia HD development thread

post at May 3, 2009 17:54 GMT+1
From latest reviews on some "final" samples we discovered that video out in 3.5mm is available so...thanks for it!

BUT guys, WHERE IS THE AAC ?? you used aac in allaboutsymbian video samples and now you are coming back to a TERRIBLE AMR ??
PLEASE DON'T DO IT !  (sorry for crying out ! :-)  )
I understand that there could be some problems in aac implementation, but if it is the case could you tell us? please !
we would like to know if AAC could be implemented in future software releases..

Wich CPU will be in Omnia HD ? OMAP 3430 or 3440 ?

Thanks for answering! (I hope you'll do it! )



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i8910 Omnia HD development thread

post at May 6, 2009 13:49 GMT+1
 
Originally posted by : oile
From latest reviews on some "final" samples we discovered that video out in 3.5mm is available so...thanks for it!

BUT guys, WHERE IS THE AAC ?? you used aac in allaboutsymbian video samples and now you are coming back to a TERRIBLE AMR ??
PLEASE DON'T DO IT !  (sorry for crying out ! :-)  )
I understand that there could be some problems in aac implementation, but if it is the case could you tell us? please !
we would like to know if AAC could be implemented in future software releases..

Wich CPU will be in Omnia HD ? OMAP 3430 or 3440 ?

Thanks for answering! (I hope you'll do it! )

 
Hi Oile,

The development team tell me that AAC is supported on i8910 HD, so I am not sure what problem you have?

The hardware platform is OMAP3 3430.

Ben.



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i8910 Omnia HD development thread

post at May 6, 2009 15:41 GMT+1
I think he meant the sound codec in video recording.
Most of the videos you can find on the web contain audio recorded in S-AMR with just 8000Hz just like on the Innov8 which is a really bad point for a phone that is advertised with the HD video recording but in fact has a terrible sound quality in these videos.
 So could you please check if the codec and sampling rate has changed in the production model or if it's still the same?



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i8910 Omnia HD development thread

post at May 6, 2009 20:02 GMT+1
Thanks a lot for anwering!! (I lost any hope of answers..)

Yes, obviously I am referring to the audio in video recording..
I sadly have to say that a 8000Hz AMR is simply not acceptable for a phone with "HD" in its name..
There would be the need to mount a more powerful microphone but if this cannot be done (however why not? ), I hope that final product will have at least a more decent AAC coding..

Out of this "lack" I hope that there is room for smoothness optimization in video recording, because 24fps are enough but from video samples it seems that we are @ 22-23 fps

Don't hate me please! I just want the i8910 to become the "new N95" i.e. a revolutionary smartphone in every aspect!


A little note: here in Italy INNOV8 16gb version never arrived ufficially...could you say a word about 16gb version availability in my country? (I know that it's not your job..)


Thanks!!



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post at May 8, 2009 17:03 GMT+1
 
Originally posted by : oile
Thanks a lot for anwering!! (I lost any hope of answers..)

Yes, obviously I am referring to the audio in video recording..
I sadly have to say that a 8000Hz AMR is simply not acceptable for a phone with "HD" in its name..
There would be the need to mount a more powerful microphone but if this cannot be done (however why not? ), I hope that final product will have at least a more decent AAC coding..

Out of this "lack" I hope that there is room for smoothness optimization in video recording, because 24fps are enough but from video samples it seems that we are @ 22-23 fps

Don't hate me please! I just want the i8910 to become the "new N95" i.e. a revolutionary smartphone in every aspect!


A little note: here in Italy INNOV8 16gb version never arrived ufficially...could you say a word about 16gb version availability in my country? (I know that it's not your job..)


Thanks!!

 
Hi Oile, I have discussed your questions with the camcorder team, and this is what they say:

1) You are right about camcorder sound, it is using AMR Narrow Band at 8000Hz 16 bit 2 channel 12.8 Kbps bit rate. There are several factors leading up to that decision, and as always there are trade-offs too  - AMR is felt to be a better choice for human voice - using the AMR software codec they are also able to get better noise reduction  - and using the software codec they get better management of the load using the ARM CPU.

Of course those judgements are based on the specific hardware/software platform combination, but the team feel it offered them the best quality solution.

2) Re frame rates, these are dynamic so you may see anything from the 22-23FPS you quote up to 30FPS depending on what's happening in a particular scene. Where there is a busy scene with lots of movement there is a lot of processing to do, and so the frame rate will be dropped to cope with that, a scene with less movement will maintain a higher FPS.

FPS also changes depending on the quality level the user chooses. This is quite a basic choice between high/medium/low quality - on a simple static scene I saw frame rates of 15FPS/1,038Kbps on the low setting and 30FPS/~2,058Kbps on med and high. Audio quality remained the same in all three cases.

The bottom line is that HD recording is a challenge, because there's a lot of data to process.

BTW, they pointed me to a great free tool that allows you to analyse files in various recording formats. Maybe you know it, but it was news to me :-)

As another aside, I hope not too off-topic, I also found this paper from TI really interesting.

Hope that helps.

Ben.
 



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